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  From:  dawna1000   1/9/2002 4:54 pm  
To:  ALL   (1 of 8)  
 
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While doing research on an article I hope to publish 
I wondered if this was or was not racist? 
A member of an American Jewish forum while illustrating 
a point referred to Catholics as follows: 
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From: ZIPPI613 10:38 
To: Frank M (FRANKMZ) unread Poll 13 of 16 
1347.13 in reply to 1347.10 
Essentislly, we (Jews)invented Western culture. 
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From: ZIPPI613 10:43 
To: DAWNA1000 unread Poll 14 of 16 
1347.14 in reply to 1347.11 

Let me pose a question to you. My kid is friends with 
a boy of Irish Catholic descent. The entire family is 
REALLY into being Irish Catholics. They have a lot green 
stuff on St Paddy's and go to church every freaking Sunday. 
I know that there are Protestants in my kid's class as well. 
Can I invite them all to my kid's birthday party without 
there being a fight? I know how strongly the Catholic kid's 
father wants the English out of Ireland. Do you think 
there'll be violence? 

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<<Green stuff and freaking sunday! 
What does that mean! Sorry got one over on me!>> 
The Irish in America like to wear green, decorate with green banners, etc, drink green beer on St Pat's Day. Freaking is a euphemism for the f-word. The point I was trying to make was that these people are heavily into the Irish/Catholic thing, but I don't worry that they'll bother Protestants. 

<<I will post your question to a few Catholic forums for 
debate if you like!>> 

No thanks. It was a facetious and rhetorical question meant to underline the idea that Americans of various ethnic and religious origins don't go around attacking others just because of problems that their ancestors had back in the old country. It was meant you show you the silliness of your fears. I think you'll embarass yourself if you post it on a Catholic forum. 

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  From:  David (DavidABrown)    1/9/2002 6:46 pm  
To:  dawna1000   (2 of 8)  
 
  298.2 in reply to 298.1  
 
Hi Dawna,

 

What could you possibly be writing that would garner research like that? L

 

You know everyone has an opinion and some opinions should just be ignored.

 

Your message posting seemed edited I really couldnt follow it. It looks like you replied then posted the reply to a reply. It also looks like you did a good job of calling that person on their rude behavior.

 

Let us know about your writing!

 

God Bless You,

David



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  From:  dawna1000   1/10/2002 3:46 pm  
To:  David (DavidABrown)    (3 of 8)  
 
  298.3 in reply to 298.2  
 
Hi David thanks for your response. Yes one of my posting the reply I deleted because I didn't want to confuse the issue! I essentially 
asked the writer what freaken Sunday meant and green stuff! I asked if it were a type of religious ceremony and offered to post it on some forums if he wished! ( I knew he was referring to St Patricks day and Sunday mass. 
I hope to publish an article on Canadian Immigration and the changing times. I first approached a Jewish Forum and immediately I was called a Euro White Racist, Christian Missonary etc. I stressed my question was not intended to offend. Last year Canada through immigration 
23,000 came from Pakistan and 20,000 from India. I asked if two 
cultures would drop battles from their old home land and not bring 
wars to Canada. I only used these ethnic groups due to recent events in the past 3 months. I live in Toronto, which in the past 7 years has now become 50% visible minority. The crimes that all now becoming a trend are new to our police force. They used to solve 90%, now it is 44%. We have seen Mosques burned to the ground. Canadian muslims fearing to leave their homes. Shootings are at an all time high and are not solved because depite hundreds of people around at the time of the shooting no one stays when the police arrive. 

My preliminary article as follows: 
I pose this question not to provoke racist reactions but to 
get answers. 
As Canada increases its immigration practices and centers on 
high immigration from mid-east type areas, will this 
change our free society as we know it today? 

Last year only 1% of new immigrants came from European white countries. Under 1 % came from USA. 

45% of every new Canadian last year was from immigration. The other 55% were from Canadians giving birth to Canadians. 

It is believed that 50% of those born from Canadians are from 
those who have been in the country under 5 years! The average 
long term Canadian will have 2 children on average. If you 
look at someone from Afganistan 7 is the average. I am only 
using Afganistan because I have researched data to support my comments on this country. 

Here is the my question? As the Arabs/Muslims/Jews continue 
to grow in Canada and the USA , will conflicts from their home 
lands follow them here? Can people coming from such militant 
places live side by side? Can people who have fought against one another since the dawn of time, change their views and actions because they have moved to a new country? 

If we look at recent events, after Sep 11th, the following four 
news articles worry me: 
1) 
The former Canadian Minister of Woman Affairs, was being 
investigated by Canadian FBI for hate crimes. After 
Sept 11th she held a Canadian Women's Conference and blasted "Americans are just blood thirsty" in response to their accusations that Bin Laden had been involved in the Sept 11th attack. I will be publishing more details on this story. 
(She was of Muslim background) 

My Concern: It is almost an embarrasement that Canada would 
have any Politician in such a high position so outright racist against our main ally the USA! 
2) 
American Airlines being sued by a government agent that was 
denied access on the plane because he was Arab! He claims because 
of the color of his skin he was profiled? He has launched 
a bilion dollar lawsuit against the financially burdened airline. 

American Airlines claim that they require proper paper work to be completed by any passenger who carries a gun onboard. They claim that if a steward or pilot is uncomfortable with a passenger they have the final call on if that person can board. The can stop a passenger that is intoxicated or abusive. This passenger had 
filled out the required paper work improperly. When they tried 
to verify his status he became aggressive and abusive with the pilot. I will publish more on this story. 

3) 
A Canadian is arrested in the USA for his part in the bombing of 
the 1991 world trade center. This individual had been a refugee to Canada for 5 years and had lived with his uncle on Jamieson 
Avenue in Toronto. This Canadian fought for and formed the fist private Islamic school in Toronto. His uncle is the present 
principal of this school. 

NOTE: Canada under pressure a few years ago changed their 
education system. Since the time of history they had two school systems Public and Catholic. Now they have added a third system to accomodate the shift of religious groups that make up Canada. The citizens of Canada fund the 3 systems. In the past 2 years, 
27 new Islamic schools have sprung up. 

My concern is that Pakistan under US pressure closed several 
private Islamic schools because the government concluded that 
they were teaching militant and hate against the West and other cultures. 

4) 
Several Jewish Founders of a top Jewish Organization in 
New York are arrested by the FBI. 

The FBI uncover a plot that they were making to 
blow up a very large Mosque in California. 

I will be researching this article further. I have been 
told that this organization received grants from the US 
government. I have not confirmed this yet! 

My comment: 
Had the plot occurred would the Muslims have attacked back? 
Would American civilians have been killed in the cross fire? 
In Canada and the USA many mosques have been set on fire and destroyed. 

Politicians told the American and Canadian people to stop 
militant abuse against our Arab friends. Arabs cried out that Canadians and Americans were abusive to them. Some Arabs 
feared to leave their homes. 

This fighting is not the true of the Canadian/American way, but do they arise from cultures that we have recently we have welcomed 
to our home land! 

Can a Jewish family live beside a Muslim one in piece? 

If the answer is NO! Life as we know it will never be safe. We won't have to worry about a terrorist like Bin Laden attacking from another country because they will be home grown! 

 
  
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From:  David (DavidABrown)    1/10/2002 4:51 pm  
To:  dawna1000    
 
    
 
Hi,

 

I would first like to commend you on your topic and on your research. You are examining an issue that is very real and very relevant to the times in which we live and I think the Bible has all of the answers to this topic that we are seeking.

 

Myself, I live in Southern California, fairly close to the Mexico boarder, immigration has been a constant and at times heated topic for us in the USA and especially in our area.

 

I have studied and thought long and hard about this topic and have reached a couple of definite conclusions. I will be very brief with my thoughts so if you would like further clarification please ask.

 

I hope you find them interesting and also I would like to discuss further your insights.

 

1)      God decides who lives when and where. In other words the entire world belongs to God it is His planet. God calls forth the generations of mankind and God determines who lives where.

 

Acts 17:26,27 And (God) hath made of one blood all nations of men for to dwell on all the face of the earth, and hath determined the times before appointed, and the bounds of their habitation; That they should seek the Lord, if haply they might feel after him, and find him, though he be not far from  every one of us:

 

2)      Strangers  foreigners, people with a different language and worshiping different gods, is the model of a Biblical judgment of a nation. The USA, Canada, England etc. are all currently being judged as nations by God because God is moving foreign languages, costumes and religions into previously Christian Nations.

 

Isaiah 28:11 For with stammering lips and another tongue will he speak to this people.

 

3)      It is a judgment from God as to how we interact with the new people in our countries. For instance if we present the Truth of Jesus to these people it is a Blessing to them and to us and thy will become a Christian by receiving the truth of Jesus and our Judgment is for good we will continue to be a Christian nation and will not be in any danger physically or Spiritually. If we do not preach Jesus to the immigrants or worse embrace their false ways then we are bringing a bad judgment upon ourselves and we will live in a dangerous nation that is dangerous to us both physically and Spiritually.

 

4)      The choice and determination is ours. We can be a blessing to someone who is from another country and might not have became a Christian had they stayed at home and we will continue to live in a blessed Christian nation or we can become a part of the problem ourselves and just embrace or allow every false doctrine, even dangerous doctrines.

 

5)      In short all people are created by God, created diverse and different to the honor and glory of God. It is fun to recognize and see the Godly differences in people.

 

6)      I think do to the Biblical End Times in which we live, All things are drawing to a close and we will not be here on earth much longer. It seems to me that much of this mass immigration is seeds to the wars, and rioting mentioned in the Book of Matthew and in the book of Revelation. It does seem that with mankinds increasing sin nature mankinds darkest hours lay just ahead.

 

Matthew 24:7 For nation (ethnic) shall rise against nation (ethnic), and kingdom (country) against kingdom (country): and there shall be famines, and pestilences, and earthquakes, in divers places. All these are the beginning of sorrows.

 

7)      We must always place and continue to place our hope and trust in Jesus. Without Jesus mankind could never get along and exist it is an impossibility, but thanks to God He is revealing in ourselves, our thoughts and our actions, to us and others and He is working everything out according to His glorious plan in the Bible and in His glorious timing.

 

Isaiah 2:1-5 The word that Isaiah the son of Amoz saw concerning Judah and Jerusalem. And it shall come to pass in the last days, that the mountain of the LORD'S house shall be established in the top of the mountains, and shall be exalted above the hills; and all nations shall flow unto it. And many people shall go and say, Come ye, and let us go up to the mountain of the LORD, to the house of the God of Jacob; and he will teach us of his ways, and we will walk  in his paths:  for out of Zion  shall go forth  the law,  and the word  of the LORD  from Jerusalem. And he shall judge among the nations, and shall rebuke many people: and they shall beat their swords into plowshares, and their spears into pruning hooks: nation shall not lift up sword against nation,  neither shall they learn  war any more. O house of Jacob, come ye, and let us walk in the light of the LORD.

 

God Bless You,

David



David A. Brown
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From:  David (DavidABrown)    1/10/2002 4:57 pm  
To:  ALL   (5 of 8)  
 
  298.5 in reply to 298.4  
 
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5)      In short all people are created by God, created diverse and different to the honor and glory of God. It is fun to recognize and see the Godly differences in people.

 

6)      I think do to the Biblical End Times in which we live, All things are drawing to a close and we will not be here on earth much longer. It seems to me that much of this mass immigration is seeds to the wars, and rioting mentioned in the Book of Matthew and in the book of Revelation. It does seem that with mankinds increasing sin nature mankinds darkest hours lay just ahead.

 

Matthew 24:7 For nation (ethnic) shall rise against nation (ethnic), and kingdom (country) against kingdom (country): and there shall be famines, and pestilences, and earthquakes, in divers places. All these are the beginning of sorrows.

 

7)      We must always place and continue to place our hope and trust in Jesus. Without Jesus mankind could never get along and exist it is an impossibility, but thanks to God He is revealing in ourselves, our thoughts and our actions, to us and others and He is working everything out according to His glorious plan in the Bible and in His glorious timing.

 

Isaiah 2:1-5 The word that Isaiah the son of Amoz saw concerning Judah and Jerusalem. And it shall come to pass in the last days, that the mountain of the LORD'S house shall be established in the top of the mountains, and shall be exalted above the hills; and all nations shall flow unto it. And many people shall go and say, Come ye, and let us go up to the mountain of the LORD, to the house of the God of Jacob; and he will teach us of his ways, and we will walk  in his paths:  for out of Zion  shall go forth  the law,  and the word  of the LORD  from Jerusalem. And he shall judge among the nations, and shall rebuke many people: and they shall beat their swords into plowshares, and their spears into pruning hooks: nation shall not lift up sword against nation,  neither shall they learn  war any more. O house of Jacob, come ye, and let us walk in the light of the LORD.

 

God Bless You,

David


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  From:  dawna1000   1/11/2002 12:07 am  
To:  David (DavidABrown)    (6 of 8)  
 
  298.6 in reply to 298.5  
 
David thank you for your thoughts. Book of Matthew and revelation 
would tie in very nicely with my research. Perhaps it would 
help explain the headlines that are emerging! Today alone 
I posted the following 7 NEW headlines in my forum: 
1)Egyptian US doubles as a spy against his adopted land of USA 
2)Men with Arab naames plot to kill sen, Bush 
3)Ring of 10 mideast men busted 
4)FBI search 6,000 middle east men failing to show up for hearings 
5)Industry security in the wake of sep 11 
6)between 1990 and 2000 USA crime rates skyrocker from 1-218 to 
1 in 142 or 3% of the population of the usa is in jail. 
7) Islam leaders says USA has lied before and want US to release 
its evidence against Bin Laden and not hide behind it and use 
national security 
8) Surburban dream dies as hispanics move into neighbourhood pitting 
neighbour against neighbour. 

Read http://forums.delphiforums.com/journalist2 
for full stories on each article 

Many people now feel no effect when they read about crime. Even 
reading of plots to kill Americans by new immigrants or visitors 
to the USA are so common place in the past 4 months that people 
are no longer shocked by it! Before I took on this assignment I simply read articles on crime and shrugged my shoulders. 

Now that I am researching them i can't help but see them! 

Do you have any good easy to read reference points for book of matthew and revelation. I have received much email. Many pointing out to me that there is a planned purpose for what we are seeing today. 

God Bless 
 
  
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  From:  123four   1/11/2002 7:13 pm  
To:  dawna1000   (7 of 8)  
 
  298.7 in reply to 298.3  
 
If you have to ASK if some attitude or 
remarks are racists, then don't you 
already know the answer within your 
heart? When we are obedient to God and 
our hearts are clean of such, then we 
have peace and we don't need to ask. 
  
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   From:  dawna1000   1/11/2002 7:30 pm  
To:  123four   (8 of 8)  
 
  298.8 in reply to 298.7  
 
Well said! 
I knew but wished to have my feelings confirmed or 
disputed 
thanks for your response 

 
  
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